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Wednesday, January 14, 2015

[Pann] SM denies accusations of plagiarism on EXO's teaser


Pann: EXO's plagiarism controversy put to rest

VM Production, the production company behind EXO's teaser video, told OSEN, "It is not plagiarism because we paid the graphic designer for permission for use. We are surprised at this situation and have contacted the graphic designer for further action."

SM rep also said, "EXO's comeback teaser was produced professionally by a production company for the 'MAMA' ceremony on December 3rd. We have asked VM Production for to take quick action and will work hard towards making sure that EXO's comeback teaser is back up in service."

1. [+218, -5] Yeah, SM even bought a picture from NASA, there's no way they'd be this careless



2. [+209, -6] EXO fans didn't even shield this and stayed quiet the whole time. I hope everyone who took this as an opportunity to attack us will get the boomerang treatment right back.

3. [+84, -0] SM even bought a picture of space from NASA to use as their homepage background;

4. [+80, -3] So that Swedish designer is the idiot in all of this

5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.

6. [+53, -0] So what's going on? SM hired a company to produce their teaser and the company bought the rights from the original designer but the original designer didn't know it was being used for SM?

7. [+31, -1] The fans who stayed quiet instead of making up shields had a lot to do with the scandal not being as controversial. I was so scared when the accusation first came out but SM responded quickly so I was glad.

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202 comments:

  1. I'm confused -_-

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  2. Ppl always so quick to jump the hate bandwagon ....as it turns out once again it wasnt plagiarism. ..

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  3. just cuz sm said it wasnt?

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  4. are you fucking serious?? it's the same even if you only took a few seconds -_-

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  5. So where are all the people who bashed them and said how the designer was so nice without even knowing if it's true or not?

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  6. mamamoogot7innercirclesJanuary 14, 2015 at 2:33 PM

    But why would the designer call it out on Twitter? Did SM pay the designer after being caught? lol just wondering

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  7. Why the source is pann though? Is this legit? the designer seems to be nice though. idk what is happening

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  8. One of them is lying. But the designer was open about what happenedin Twitter.
    Let's wait and see.

    http://data2.whicdn.com/images/35230339/large.gif

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  9. they are not talking about paying the artist.. but a designer that was hired to make the video

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  10. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.

    Please explain it to Sojin, 'cause she had to make IG account private because of you...

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  11. I will just wait and see

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  12. "[+218, -5] Yeah, SM even bought a picture from NASA, there's no way they'd be this careless"
    Wow im impress... SM is pretty cool

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  13. See there u go..who exactly said it was plagiarism? Was it the original designer? So bc he said it we have to believe it right? Im just saying we all jump to conclusions so quick without even stopping to think " maybe its really not..."

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  14. *grabs some snacks*

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  15. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of
    this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ

    https://41.media.tumblr.com/4958465dde21a3538166196b52bef828/tumblr_ni4n73X7jm1u423e2o4_1280.jpg

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  16. Well at least it gives Lee Soo Man (Tax Evader) a little bit of breathing space and time to sort out the illegal foreign exchange dealings.

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  17. no, the company sm hired to do the teaser paid the designer. if you read the article carefully it's clearly stated there in the first sentence, "VM Production, the production company behind EXO's teaser video, told OSEN, "It is not plagiarism because we paid the graphic designer for permission for use. "

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  18. "It is not plagiarism because we paid the graphic designer for permission for use. We are surprised at this situation and have contacted the graphic designer for further action."

    SM is not talking about THE ARTIST of the original video but about a THIRD PERSON they hired to make a video!!!

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  19. 2. [+209, -6] EXO fans didn't even shield this and stayed quiet the whole time.

    Not really

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  20. you sounds so mad, why?

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  21. Why are you so angry. If the graphic designer holds the copyright for the artist and they used it for SM then there isn't a problem.


    The graphic company got paid and its their work...

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  22. SM is gonna come out with a new article saying it was actually homage.

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  23. i just don't understand why they'd plagiarize someone else's work when they bought a picture from nasa? it just doesn't add up....

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  24. These designs are usually put into a database for people to browse through and you have to pay to use it.

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  25. "2. [+209, -6] EXO fans didn't even shield this and stayed quiet the whole time. I hope everyone who took this as an opportunity to attack us will get the boomerang treatment right back." people who feel this way about fandoming are pathetic. Get a life, for real.

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  26. I'm not but some people clearly don't see that SM is not talking about paying the artist but their designer..so I thought i should maybe point it out :)

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  27. The whole situation is mixed up. Both parties are saying totally different thing. Let's wait for more.

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  28. I still don't understand SM

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  29. again i'm not mad but some people didn't read the text

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  30. Just a theory: perhaps VM Productions didn't inform the designer that they were gonna use it in EXO's teaser, thus when the designer saw the teaser, he had no idea it was by the very same VM Productions.

    Could be a misunderstanding. Could be someone's lying. ╮(─▽─)╭

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  31. i didn't see any shielding. did you see it? most korean fans either tsk tsk sm for being careless or kept quiet about it.

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  32. mamamoogot7innercirclesJanuary 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    Ah, I see. But why did the designer tweet that it was plagiarized? Omg this is so confusing. ;_;

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  33. Why would the original designer say it was plagiarism, if he got paid? Why would he burn a client? Makes no sense, if he doesn't really believe it was plagiarism.

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  34. This is why people shouldn't be so quick to jump on any wagon.

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  35. Yeah neither did you because you have to think about who holds the copyright for it. The artist or the designers who made it. Relax lol.

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  36. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.

    ha i heard some exo-L bullied sojin

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  37. Ok, I'm really confused right now, please resolve this quickly and take this for serious, i really don't know what to think about this...
    http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/confused_lion_king.gif

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  38. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of
    this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And
    I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.


    Perhaps its a delayed reaction like thunder. First you see it then moments later you hear it.

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  39. They are a billion dollar company that plagiarizes designer outfits instead of buying them, why are you acting surprised.

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  40. this was my thoughts exactly. either that or VM forgot to pay for it. if they did they should have proof of transaction which i think they probably do, otherwise they wouldn't have taken the initiative to contact osen themselves.

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  41. But it works both ways why would sm say it wasnt and run the risk of ppl finding out its a lie and get twice as much hate or a lawsuit?

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  42. This is honestly one of the most professionally handled scandal that I've witnessed

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  43. Don't argue with the delulu big 3 stans that think anything that is "negative" is a hate bandwagon towards their bias company.

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  44. tbh anybody jumped out and make quick conclusions so...

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  45. 1. [+218, -5] Yeah, SM even bought a picture from NASA, there's no way they'd be this careless



    forgot that mr mr and red velvet video?

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  46. Lol good point .

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  47. did you even read the article? they are saying it is the designer's work and they already paid to use it.

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  48. Oh lord get over yourself i am in no way an exo or sm stan. Im simply pointing out how quick we all are to judge

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  49. actually, the graphic design company who did the teaser said it wasn't. people are too eager to go after the big company as usual.

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  50. SM you're freaking rich why can't you buy those rights instead of doing things illegally ? You're only going to bring hate upon your groups and making a fool of yourselves.

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  51. but they weren't so pissed off about it, they were actually sticking up for the designer

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  52. why would they buy the rights to designs for something that already exists, like shit, talk about being lazy SM.

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  53. Maybe he didnt know which company was going to use it?

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  54. Sounds like a misunderstanding to me. I'm just shocked EXO-L didn't have a cow and instead remained really calm. Seems like the Korean branch of the fandom is growing up a little. Now if only the International branches would do the same...

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  55. [+80, -3] So that Swedish designer is the idiot in all of this

    There was more than one artist involved, and the guy responded very maturely to the situation. It's more likely a misunderstanding

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  56. It was a small article filled with their fans lmao, that's the only reason it got any upvotes at all. She tried tho.

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  57. aha ok so the dude is complaining without reason.. right

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  58. Isn't "lawsuit" SM's middle name? Since when has SM been afraid of being stupidly cheap?

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  59. something does not make sense here

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  60. U got a point there..esp after the homage outfits...

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  61. It's been sorted out, everyone. Calmm dowwn.
    Check out the dude's twitter.

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  62. Maybe, we don't know yet until things get cleared up...

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  63. well most of their groups are 1/4th of korea's population.. lolll

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  64. but they didn't thats the point.. why did he complain if they did pay him?

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  65. @1 doesn't get it. Of course you gotta pay homage to the big dogs, it's the little rats that you trample on and hope no one spots you. If that guy had a choice, in a world without copyright, do you think he'd copy taeyang or Kanye? He picked the latter because he knew his chance of getting caught was a lot smaller.

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  66. Oppa can DO anything but not dating.

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  67. the one saying what you quoted is not even sm. it's the "third person" you are talking about, the people they hired to make the video.

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  68. Sounds like SM hired someone (VM production) who paid someone (the graphic designer) who according to them produced the design.
    However, a graphic designer is saying their work has been plagiarized.

    I think some possibilities could be, that one graphic designer plagiarized another, in this case the one VM production paid plagiarized someone else who is now complaining.

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    Its the same graphic designer but because VM was the middle man they did not know their designs were being sold to SM and when they came across EXO's stuff and saw their work they got upset thinking it had been copied. Which might mean this is a big misunderstanding and there was poor communication down the line if they were not informed exactly what their designs were being used for.

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  69. I don't want to come off as protecting SM but give them some respect.
    Nowadays people act like SM is the meanest of them all but they're actually ok.
    You never know whether it's media play but if it's them lying AGAIN, then go to court SM already and allow JYJ to perform on TV programs!

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  70. Can you put some screen shots here please? I can't find it.

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  71. Eh didn't this article mentioned that VM Production co. had paid the graphic designer for the permission to use?

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  72. That's what I wanted to say lol

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  73. SM paid the designer who made the whole teaser ....not the designer of those few plagiarised clips
    its all about the wording

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  74. http://i.imgur.com/jM47ikF.png

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  75. True. And the license fee usually depends on what use you will give to the work you are trying to acquire.

    Sigh... Misunderstanding or whatever, one would expect something a bit more special from one of the "world's leaders in cultural contents" (their words) than a snippet from an image bank but hey...

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  76. Whenever the knet section is peaceful, i-net make fuss abt it. Just fuck off, damn annoying =_=

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  77. Considering the teaser used the work of more than one artist, who exactly are they saying they paid? The graphic designer who ripped off the other artists or the artists that got ripped off? http://blog.eriksoderberg.se/post/107989724130/orisonofkyungsoo-please-be-aware-that-some-of


    Atleast Soderberg (and probably the others whose work was used without permission) worked to straighten things out and didn't have a cow over it.

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  78. i think maybe you should read more.

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  79. he already clarified it on twitter. I hope you don't feel too stupid.

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  80. They payed him today or something like that. Oh money.

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  81. It is all settled now

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  82. People who cant read http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m423fbANcg1rr8loao1_250.gif

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  83. they cleared it by paying him

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  84. maybe if more people would actually read the things they comment on, we won't see so many people making fools of themselves

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  85. or it's just SM trying to make a scene so their comeback is hyped and in the end it turns out all was a misunderstanding

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  86. Wow I didn't even know SM hires other company to produce their teasers. So SM is lazy but the company they hired is lazy too LOL. What is the purpose of VM productions if they'll just copyright other people works and can't produce their own original works. Dude just close your company. If they'll just copy teasers, SM people can do it themselves. It even saves costs LOL.

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  87. Oh thank god she didn't block me because I follow her!

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/a93af7a2fd19c041dcaddade48a9f873/tumblr_mpmzivsmWZ1syvpz3o1_250.gif

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  88. here he is happy now :)

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  89. http://i.imgur.com/8aK1DW0.png
    lt's been resolved. Hope everyone puts back all their pitchforks and knives.

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  90. In other words, he got a paycheck with more zeros than the exo lasting members. gg sm wp

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  91. http://media.giphy.com/media/ey4R6tv6leh5C/giphy.gif

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  92. do you know how graphic design industry works at all?

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  93. RV's Happiness is anti war so those pics where actually suitable for it, people just made a big deal of it ( The song was actually pointing that those events shouldnt happen again ) and about mrmr I'm not sure what are you talking about?

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  94. I hope the artist apologizes. He falsely accused them.

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  95. he should also apologize to exo and their fans.

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  96. So the artist just wanted some attention....not funny at all http://38.media.tumblr.com/d7b308879df8779b312ed8cbb22b4f2f/tumblr_n6go1ldv4P1ttretmo1_250.gif

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  97. exactly :) he's a happy man now

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  98. whatever you want to believe.

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  99. you would fail if you were to run a business

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  100. VM Production paid the designers after the accusations not before so yes it was plagiarism you can't steal people work and pay them only when they found out

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  101. I'm sure you were there when that transaction was taking place.

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  102. you do realize they payed him after he complained right?

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  103. they can buy everything they want lol

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  104. if it's settled ok but I don't trust SM

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  105. yeah snippets tho, plurals. i think they probably looked up images under hexagon and took a bunch they liked, (paid for it as they should), and stuck them together in a minute video and be done with it because that's what i thought happened the first time i saw the teaser.

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  106. Jenizz | pinkcrownJanuary 14, 2015 at 3:07 PM

    Eh?? Idgi but w/ever

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  107. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjyXrNY9S2o

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  108. damn
    meanwhile i just get my faves dancing in boxes

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  109. You're right. I just saw iwhat they meant when they said there were several artists affected. It's only fair to pay accordingly.

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  110. Why do I think that fans kept quiet because they really thought SME screwed up this time? because I did. Hahaha
    But it seems like pure misunderstanding. I totally forgot about that picture sme bought from nasa xD

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  111. thank you for answering me and made that clear to me more
    but i was saying i don't understand sm (as a company)....i wasn't talk about the plagrisium
    but anyway THANK YOU

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  112. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals
    Until another dating "scandal" comes out within the next few years...

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  113. No shit they would buy a picture from NASA. It's NASA you're talking about.

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  114. reeally why SM just get thier own personal graphic designer? they have the money for it. NOT HATINGbut YG actually make some type of "audition" for ir, all the "promos" where caled "the creator"

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  115. Because he didn't know the company who got the rights from him was using it for someone else?

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  116. Honestly. I couldnt care less bout some short teaser. I'm waiting foe the exact song. Cant wait

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  117. EXO-L's are all grown up :,)

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  118. Good damn.... I new SM was stacking some good cash but buying a background picture from nasa.... freaking NASA .... wow, I'll be second guessing everyone who says sm plagiarizes again, but I'm happy exo-l took a back seat and waited for everything to be clarified..... people say that a lot of fan left the fandom but it seems like only the immature ones left.
    I'm waiting for the acactual Mv video now.

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  119. Because when ever the knet section is "peaceful" it is mostly them eating lies, so the I-nets does the real talk. "Exol r peaceful now, they r learning how to deal with scandals" um yeah take a quick look into the Internet and see how they bullied "oppa's rumored gf" also plagiarism in sm is not something new, didn't you hear about SNSD? Sm tried to cover their plagiarism with cheap lies & covers. So what proves that they didn't do it this time? If D&G goes against sm , sm wouldn't stand a chance bc this time "their power" (money money money) won't help, but ofc feeding money to a single man keeps his mouth full & shut.

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  120. when ever the knet section is "peaceful" it is mostly them eating lies, so I-nets does the real talk here "Exol r peaceful now, they r learning how to deal with scandals" um yeah take a quick look into the Internet and see how they bullied "oppa's rumored gf" also plagiarism in sm is not something new, what about SNSD? Sm tried to cover their plagiarism with cheap lies & covers. So what proves that they didn't do it this time? If D&G goes against sm , sm wouldn't stand a chance bc this time "their power" (money$money$money) won't help, but ofc feeding money to a single man keeps his mouth full & shut. If sm did use money to shut him up, then that's cheap and dirty, but it is business

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  121. he was looking for attention.

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  122. Dude,you definitely have sth. against SM and their artists.I see your comments everywhere..

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  123. That was Tiffany's fault though..

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  124. for being stupid attention seeker.

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  125. ikr, I haven't checked the info of the teaser but maybe the VM Productions wasn't mentioned in the description thingy. OR they only asked 1 artist for permission instead of all of them

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  126. "by paying him" lol you don't know if they paid him or it was a misunderstanding.............

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  127. The designer did say there was a mistake and that they are discussing it. So I think it's misunderstanding

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  128. its private because shes an attention seeker.

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  129. because he's a dumbass

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  130. It's not a "single man" maybe you should read his tweets more carefully

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  131. 4. [+80, -3] So that Swedish designer is the idiot in all of this



    Yes, he's the dumbass.

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  132. The designer is just a dumbass

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  133. But the guy tweeted about it early this morning. SM do plagiarism. It was AFTER the fact that SM decided to pay. So....

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  134. The Swedish guy admitted that it wasn't either. Only delulu haters are worse than delulu stans.

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  135. When it's EXO. They always will.

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  136. If the teaser looks that cool, the actually video better be awesome damnit SM!

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  137. Oh sorry, I misunderstood you. >.<
    I don't think there is enough room (even by my standard of ridiculously long comments) to understand SM as a company =/.
    Its so huge, has contracts, agreements to pay other companies to do work or buy rights that there might be times when the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and neither might be doing what the head wanted them to do in the first place.


    Just thoughts trying to understand the company:
    SM works with middlemen (contractors). The advantage of contractors is you have more flexibility in your options and can negotiate more easily for a better price. As they have so many groups and people to manage its probably faster and cheaper for them to hire outside people for designs and ideas that are already created rather than maintain people within the company to do it, taking time creating and costing the company money in resources in the meantime. Buying rights to images, music etc. can be done directly and indirectly. Different people you deal with may go about supplying you in different ways, but SM ends up paying for what they want probably on the faith that its legally produced.
    However its also cheaper to take things if you can get away with it. Its cheaper to make copies of very expensive outfits than buy the original and if its different enough or you are low profile enough on the global market or if you're too much trouble to chase up on a lawsuit or the offense is too petty you can save pennies.
    (Many business people will happily cut corners if it increases their profit margins).

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  138. Correction: SOME EXO L + haters/antis and they make several "ghost" accounts to bash

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  139. WTF are u on about lol.
    Stop spamming on this post.

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  140. knockoffs are a long tradition in textiles. Ralph Lauren got his start selling knockoffs out of his car trunk.

    not saying it's okay to rip off items but outfits, which cordis have to produce 2-3 sets of each week during promotions and a teaser for a comeback which happens maybe once or twice a year are hardly the same thing.

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  141. I have a feeling SM bought the design AFTER the teaser was released. Didn't the Swedish guy said he was aware of it and that his team and SM are in the middle of negotiating?

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  142. it's ok
    cute misunderstand
    sm make me so confused O_o

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  143. " I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ"


    -look at sojin- nope, nope you haven't.

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  144. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.

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  145. Typical I-nets vs Knets sentiment..

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  146. Yeah..big companies know better than to plagiarize for videos and songs.

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  147. cause EXO got them haters

    http://i49.tinypic.com/24o7vo2.gif

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  148. I was thinking they paid the designer AFTER he made a fuss, but your theory sounds more logical. Anyway the designer sounds happy now so he probably got his cash/got it all straightened out.

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  149. VIP's still harassing Kiko on instg btw?? :

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  150. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.



    Erm.... what about that dating rumor and harrasing that poor girl insta ?

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  151. No, the designer said there were misunderstanding in the negotiation, meaning he prob wasnt aware of how it would be used and such.

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  152. 6. [+53, -0] So what's going on? SM hired a company to produce their teaser and the company bought the rights from the original designer but the original designer didn't know it was being used for SM?
    seem like so to me too

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  153. tbh i don't get how people belive SM is that stupid . the only "plagiarism" u got from them were SNSD's outfits . everything else is bought or has the copyrights.


    even when people are saying SM buys awards for thir artists . SM is a big agency and a house for big names in kpop . do they really think they'd risk the agency's reputation just to buy some awards that their artists have to problem winning them ?

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  154. Hahahaha yes I'm sure he just came up with it and that's why sm payed him in the end to shut up

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  155. How can he misunderstand getting payed? You either get money or not..

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  156. To clarify what happened. It's not the question about plagiarism. That was the phrase used by Soompi. It was a question of copyright infringement.
    VM Production had used copyright protected material from me and others when making the video. So, they made the mistake, not SM.
    The only misstake made by SM was to not answer our first notice of copyright infringement done already in december. The only way to get an reaction was then to go via youtube and report the copyright issue there.
    I believe SM was sure that VM had the all the copyright right permissions under control, but they clearly missed that part for me and a couple of other designers.
    VM have now properly payed a licens for using the material in the video and terms have been agreed, by that it is no longer blocked on YouTube.

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  157. What mr mr? And RV were using offensive images not illegal ones, smh =_=

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  158. I ain't a VIP. That's Song Mino not GD. XDDDDDDDDDD No worries though if you thought that. He looks like a mix of Taeyang and GD!!!!

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  159. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ

    *COUGH SOJIN YOU FUCKING PSYCHOS COUGH*

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  160. geez, you make it sound like SM is one person that does everything -_- all the music, concepts, choreography etc are created by a bunch of people working together and frankly I don't think it's bad or lazy to pay another company to create something that SM wants

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  161. Where does it say that? lol

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  162. Why was that Tiffany's fault?

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  163. or maybe they paid him after the rumours started LOL

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  164. Well, there does always seem to be a scandal before their comebacks...

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  165. SM or any entertainment companies are not graphic design experts. They hire the experts to produce what they want.

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  166. so the graphic artist they paid stole the work of that artist...doh!

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  167. 1. [+218, -5] Yeah, SM even bought a picture from NASA, there's no way they'd be this careless



    woahhh

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  168. So it was really just a misunderstanding/miscommunication I guess.

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  169. I ain't a VIP. And that's Song Mino not GD XDDDDDD

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  170. Look at this people

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  171. Ah, so many fans are quite naive.

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  172. "he probably got his cash"

    https://31.media.tumblr.com/eaacf077e839926c9b4cc8db54f703e6/tumblr_inline_nh98mpYqHE1r3uo2m.gif

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  173. lol, but it's not really a bad thing that the guy may have been given money to settle it. That's how these situations usually end up to begin with. There are plenty other things that make SM sketchy, but paying an artist for using their work or to settle an agreement is not one of those things.

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  174. CASE CLOSED

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1627/760/original.jpg?w=600&h

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  175. http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1627/760/original.jpg?w=600&h&w=600&h=1019

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  176. http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Oh-My-God-Who-The-Hell-Cares-Gif-On-Family-Guy.gif

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  177. http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Oh-My-God-Who-The-Hell-Cares-Gif-On-Family-Guy.gif .

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  178. You know that GG's tiffany I think got a letter or tweet from D&G. And D&G didn't complain either means that theyre okay with it or that it didn't matter much for them it was a freaking performance outfit ..... why are you being prissy when D&G aren't.

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  179. http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1627/760/original.jpg?w=600&h

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  180. http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1627/760/original.jpg?w=600&h

    It was a misunderstanding.

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  181. 5. [+54, -1] I was really proud at how quiet EXO-L stayed during all of this. I feel like we've finally learned how to deal with scandals ㅠㅠ And I'm glad that it's not plagiarism, I hope it's all figured out soon.

    Meanwhile Sojin's instagram is under siege but baby steps I guess.
    To be honest, EXO-L's silence during this ~scandal~ doesn't prove anything for me--I want to see how maturely they can handle their fave's problematic statements or dating rumors the next time a real issue crops up. It's nothing for them not to shield this since it was an issue of design team management to begin with. A true test of their maturity will come from a scandal involving an actual member of EXO; until then, miss me with the self-congratulatory "crediting ourselves for not reacting childishly for once" parade.

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  182. what the.... when no one hires graphic designers, where will they get their money from? Why should they work? Why should they create something like that.
    They get some infos from their clients /what should be there, whats the concept etc) and then they work.

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  183. Wow. Erik Söderberg left a comment on Netizen Buzz?

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  184. to boost his work hah

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  185. stop generalizing there are plenty of mature EXo fans....

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  186. thats not even funny.....

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  187. See photos below

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  188. I don't see your point? Your screenshot only proves what I'm saying?

    Soderberg had a reason to speak out, and when he did VM claimed they paid him for use. It's completely possible that VM paid him only after his story got attention bc otherwise he wouldn't have spoken out before and he wouldn't be saying everything is ok now lol

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  189. what's this question even meant to accomplish

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